Warriors are different than heroes. Communist or communist ideology has reach our shores since 1931.
When MPAJA was set up it was a collaboration effort between the British and the Communist. MCP was founded by Ho Chin Minh and lead by Lei Tak Chinese Vietnamese who is a double agent.
Many historians yang berwibawa agreed That the emergency created by the communist hasten our independence. That cannot be denied. Please baca dan mentelaah. Pejuang kemerdekaan datang dari berbagai bentuk. Puak Kiri dari PKMM adalah merdeka warriors, but they are not heroes. The heroes were tunku and UMNO, that cannot be denied.
What is the use of peace treaty sign in 1989 if we could not reconcile our differences. The young has no baggage. Like you yang masih mentah might not remember the late Tan Sri Samad biasa konfes dalam TV in the late 70's mengaku dia adalah komunis. Bersama sama Dollah Kok Lanas dan lagi satu Dollah mereka disumbat dalam ISA. Tan Sri Samad merupakan kawan arwah Datuk dan Datuk saya patut berterimakasih kerana dia dapat jawatan setiauasha khas di Jabatan Pertanian. Tetapi mereka tetap komunis dari fahaman mereka.
Perjuangan mereka salah tetapi mereka tetap pejuang kemerdekaan tapi bukan heroes. So sehingga kita dapat kemerdekaan pada tahun 1957 mereka adalah pejuang kemerdekaan tapi tamat apabila kita merdeka.
We kill more of them than there us. They have lost what remain is just an old man's tale. I lamented because I know Fahmi Reza and I know what he says is true. The young do not carry any emotional baggage of the past. If Dr Novandri represent the young than we must be able to engage them with intellectual discourse. We must be able to present them our views clearly and not emotionally. They always two sides of a coin, remember we have sign a peace treaty.
Kalau base on your argument we should(the world)ignore the peace sign with the Germans and the Japanese and condemn them for eternity. Jangan jadi budak kecik!(Don't be a small boy), Point is the Government of today has decided period end of discussion. No rhetoric please fact is an old man wants to come back and if the government says no, so be it. They know better!
It is a pity UMNO now is full emptiness and if these continue than forget the next election. You cannot ever present facts clearly and resoundingly. I again do not deny hardship cause by the communist but look at the figures how many of them we have kill vis a vis us. Who suffer the biggest casualties than come and tell me about suffering!
Look at these hideous comment i receive and one even threatened me!!
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kebodohan selalu datang dari bangsa pendatang di negara ini yang tak pernah berterima kasih atas pengorbanan pasukan keselamatan yang majoriti berbangsa melayu...dan tak lupa KEBODOHAN jugak datangnya dari mult NIK AJIS yang berakal pendek dan kurang sangat kebijaksanaannya...
pakcik saya putus kakinya terkena jerangkap samar komunis semasa bertugas dalam polis hutan dahulu dan tsekarang tinggal di chuping, perlis...itu sebab saya terAMAT geram dengan si NIK AJIS dan semua yang pro-komunis dinegara ini... - May 29, 2009 12:13 PM
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Wan zaharizan.
Untuk pengetahuan kamu tak semestinya kena merasai dulu siksa zaman komunis baru nak fikir negatif pasal Ching Peng. Kalu nak kira pasal kemanusiaan kenapa tak tuntut dengan chin peng untuk minta maaf ke atas setiap orang yang dia pernah aniaya, yang kena bunuh. Pasal komunios yang kena bunuh, kita fikir logik la kalu dia oarng tak ancam kita saya rasa pasukan keselamatan tak teringin nak bunuh mereka tapi bila dah kena ancaman istilah nie sesuai' dibunuh atau membunuh'. buat la kajian sebelum berkata kerana anda boleh melukakan hati orang lain. Tak kena pada kita tak apa, tapi kalu kena pada kita saya rasa anda la yang kuat menentang.
rimau besi - May 29, 2009 1:00 PM
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Wan Zaharizan,
You wrote, " Point is the Government of today has decided period end of discussion. No rhetoric please fact is an old man wants to come back and if the government says no, so be it. They know better!"
I've written in my article :-
2. Pada awal tahun 2000, Chin Peng telah memohon untuk kembali ke Malaysia. Kes beliau didengar di Mahkamah Tinggi pada 25hb Mei 2005 yang kemudiannya di tunda pada 25hb Julai 2005. Mahkamah Tinggi telah menolak permohonan Chin Peng.
3. Pada Jun 2008, Mahkamah Rayuan juga telah menolak rayuan Chin Peng untuk kembali ke Malaysia di atas alasan Chin Peng gagal menunjukkan dokumen pengenalan beliau sebagai rakyat Malaysia dan lain-lain.
It's very clear here that CP has no place in Malaysia. Our Malaysian law said so & this issue should stop as it is. Period.
No more CP. - May 29, 2009 1:18 PM
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saudara wan,
kalau ada kelapangan, saya nak jemput saudara wan ke Sungai Manik, Teluk Intan Perak. Kat sana nanti kita boleh sembang panjang apa sumbangan komunis dan chin peng pada orang melayu kita kat sana. Tapi saya tak dapat jamin saudara wan boleh keluar dengan selamat kalau apa yang saudara wan tuliskan disini, saudara ceritakan pada orang lama kat sana.
The young does not carry the emotional baggage from the past, but the past are still living among us to this day. - my Comment to orang kita
Dear Orang kita
Are you threatening me? Is this how a Malay behave? Why Sungai Manik? Were you born during the incident in 1945? In Abdullah CD book he claim it is because of Malay bandits, I do not know for sure but I know Bintang Tiga was involve. There was a massacre there, many were kill, both the chinese and malays. It was the first racial strife to hit Malaya then. Most young only thought about May 13 but even then many of them were not born then.
It was a part of history bloody one no doubt. So you must be about 80 years old now if you leave in that era, I'm sorry i do not fight an old man! Are you the Malay bandit or are you the Bintang Tiga? In law you have committed a murder and murder case are not covered by law of limitation so be careful you might be charge for murder or at least mayhem. Who are you? Why do you hide under Orang kita? Are you a coward? I am Wan Zaharizan Bin Wan Zan, at least please give me your name so I could call you maybe pakcik or datuk. It is a malay thing to give regards to old people.
Now to Anonymous too please give me your name, best I answer you. Hero or Wira is different than Pejuang or Warrior. Our father of independence Tunku in Baling 1955 recognize Chin Peng as such(warrior). That is why( if you have time please read the war records)he was offering an olive branch to Chin Peng. He told Chin Peng that since you and I were fighting for independence and since independence would be given by latest in 3 years time than you should lay down your arms and join us. But Chin Peng refuse because he could not receive the terms of surrender! He wants the party to be recognize as it once was in 1945. He refuse to be rehabilitated. Tunku refuse and that's why it fail.
By doing so many communist lay down their arms and return back to the fold and by 1960, 3 years after independence the Emergency was lifted. The meeting in Baling was oppose by the British and even David Marshall the spherphadic Jew who was at that time the Chief Minister of Singapore. As for death, many of my family died during emergency but it was war then and we accept our lot in life. Wahi Anuar was captured/surrender(depends whom you get it from) in 1951. So if you want to find me leave a note in my blog and your number and I will call you.I am not afraid of Sungai Manik I've been there. Novandri mintak maaf I have to answer them
posted by wan zaharizan b wan zan at 9:10 PM
Wan Zaharizan,
You wrote "Base on Humintarian ground only let them come back. we must start to have some reconciliation with the past. we must start somewhere. It is long overdue!"
And for same reason, humanitarian ground, we must always leason to the voices of the Malaysian people who have lost their families during the war.
4000 casualties are not small amount & to be put a side just like that.
And luckily, maybe none of your family members were killed during that time. So, it's difficult to feel their grieves. It's easy said than done.
After all, one person called Chin Peng, not a Malaysian citizen, has not much impact to Malaysia but thousands of Malaysian ex. ex-army, civilians including the chinese and their families will definitely feel very hurt by certain people who has nothing better to do but to defend this old man.
And Chin Peng will be very busy in court.
Wan Zaharizan,
Communist soldiers are not Merdeka warriors.
The existence of them were to fight the Japanese. That's all.
Their direct orders were from China eventhough they were isolated due to distance & supported by the British.
They were given a chance in Baling to reconcile & be part of the new Malaysian for 1957 but CP refused.
Once he's in the jungle, he's no more so called Merdeka warrior as you claimed. He fought during Merdeka & many years after that.
If he to be called Merdeka warrior, he should be part of the citizen who celebrated Merdeka in 1957 & not in the jungle with the rest of the communist soldiers.
Wan Zaharizan,
Communist soldiers are not Merdeka warriors.
The existence of them were to fight the Japanese. That's all.
Their direct orders were from China eventhough they were isolated due to distance & supported by the British.
They were given a chance in Baling to reconcile & be part of the new Malaysian for 1957 but CP refused.
Once he's in the jungle, he's no more so called Merdeka warrior as you claimed. He fought during Merdeka & many years after that.
If he to be called Merdeka warrior, he should be part of the citizen who celebrated Merdeka in 1957 & not in the jungle with the rest of the communist soldiers.